Granbury Love

[Striple]

https://www.facebook.com/eric.sanders.5 ... 559935597/

Start watching at around 1:30.

[milesmiles]

Man that is crazy. I would really like a follow up on what happens to that guy

[LonestarCBR]

Co-worker sent this to me yesterday. Messed up for sure.

[fixxervi6]

Hopefully he gets a good lawyer, that's like attempted vehicular manslaughter or some shit.

[JTChiTown]

Yeah. Blew up on FB last night.

I don't think he can be charged with that since it will be hard to prove he intended to kill them. Still lots of felony convictions that are easy that can still apply however.

Hopefully the DA runs with this, charges him hard, and puts in him jail till he can't drive. Then the riders can turn around and sue him and his estate for everything. Only problem is unless the dude is frugal as hell, all they'll get is a dusty lot with a run-down trailer on it.

[DarcShadow]

Vehicular manslaughter doesn't have to be intentional. My first accident they were treating the scene as vehicular manslaughter and would of charged the woman with it, had I not survived. Instead she got a "failure to yield right of way" ticket. Lucky bitch.

I'm guessing they both will be charged with crossing the center line and that'll be it. Although with the way he's acting on the video a DA could make a case against him I guess. Careless or maybe even reckless driving.

[JTChiTown]

Yeah, that's the difference between charging someone with killing someone versus the intent to kill someone. No need to prove intent when there's a body.

I hope this dude gets some major charges filed though. If not I hope the vic sends the video to every news channel with the story of how the DA wouldn't charge the guy. Although everyone survived, it easily could have resulted in a far worse tragedy. People gotta know that a decision like that is quite literally life and death.

[LonestarCBR]

We rode through here a few weeks ago (Tintop Road it said on the Ch8 news this morning) on the moderate down to the Horny Toad. Not sure what time of day this occured, but there wasn't nearly as much traffic mid-morning. I don't recall hearing any of this BS on the video, but it was hard to hear the old dude at times, but on the news this morning he was using "a wasp stung me" after he had time to think about his excuse once the fact that he was being recorded fully sunk in. Some people just don't know when to keep there mouths shut...here's to hoping it bites him in the ass big time.

If the rider didn't get a ticket for passing in a no-passing zone when this happened, he may not get charged with anything. The driver on the other hand will at the very least get a failure to maintain control ticket, probably wreckless driving, and hopefully something serious enough to fit the offense.

At any rate, I think I'm yet again offended by the actions of others...seriously this time. Jackass (no, I'm not signing off as Jackass, I'm calling the old dude a jackass).

[Polokid69]

We rode through here a few weeks ago (Tintop Road it said on the Ch8 news this morning) on the moderate down to the Horny Toad. Not sure what time of day this occured, but there wasn't nearly as much traffic mid-morning. I don't recall hearing any of this BS on the video, but it was hard to hear the old dude at times, but on the news this morning he was using "a wasp stung me" after he had time to think about his excuse once the fact that he was being recorded fully sunk in. Some people just don't know when to keep there mouths shut...here's to hoping it bites him in the ass big time.

If the rider didn't get a ticket for passing in a no-passing zone when this happened, he may not get charged with anything. The driver on the other hand will at the very least get a failure to maintain control ticket, probably wreckless driving, and hopefully something serious enough to fit the offense.

At any rate, I think I'm yet again offended by the actions of others...seriously this time. Jackass (no, I'm not signing off as Jackass, I'm calling the old dude a jackass).

Makes me fearfull of passing people out there now.

[LonestarCBR]

Makes me fearfull of passing people out there now.

First, an observation. Your ride a Kawasaki, no need to worry about the effects of passing anyone, except maybe another Kawasaki.

Second, you now how the calvary would send out the Indian (excuse me, Native Indigenous Peoples...or NIPs...wait, that not gonna f'ing work either) scout to check things out? I'm proposing we do the same on club rides...send a Meatball out first on when passing traffic...let them report back on how it went. Thoughts? (from someone besides Meatballs I mean).

Finally, no club members were hurt during the typing of this post...so I truly hope no one was inadvertently offended.

[Polokid69]

Makes me fearfull of passing people out there now.

First, an observation. Your ride a Kawasaki, no need to worry about the effects of passing anyone, except maybe another Kawasaki.

Second, you now how the calvary would send out the Indian (excuse me, Native Indigenous Peoples...or NIPs...wait, that not gonna f'ing work either) scout to check things out? I'm proposing we do the same on club rides...send a Meatball out first on when passing traffic...let them report back on how it went. Thoughts? (from someone besides Meatballs I mean).

Finally, no club members were hurt during the typing of this post...so I truly hope no one was inadvertently offended.

First, an observation. Your ride a Kawasaki, no need to worry about the effects of passing anyone, except maybe another Kawasaki.

Thats just wrong Terry

[DarcShadow]

The fact that this all happened on a double yellow is going to throw a wrench in the works. Yes the car driver is an ass but at the same time, had the biker not been making an illegal pass none of this would ever of happened. So who is to blame?

[Striple]

The fact that this all happened on a double yellow is going to throw a wrench in the works. Yes the car driver is an ass but at the same time, had the biker not been making an illegal pass none of this would ever of happened. So who is to blame?

I'm not a lawyer, so I won't argue about the legalities. Morally, these seem to be two independent events. One is a minor infraction that should result in a fine, the other is a major crime that should be punished accordingly. I hate the "well, he started it" defense that people like to use in these cases. Is it okay to attempt to seriously injure or kill someone because they did something that annoyed you? If my neighbor cuts his grass at 5am (thus breaking ordinance), is it okay for me to sort this out with a baseball bat? I mean, if he hadn't started it...

Honestly, I wouldn't have cared if the bikers would have given that guy a fistful of education after that incident.

[LonestarCBR]

The car driver is to blame for swerving over the line and hitting the motorcycle, all things considered.

Let's say he BS story about a wasp sting is what caused the incident. Had it been a car (or bike) coming the other way, it would have been a head-on, and he would have been responsible regardless of what/why.

So the primary issue is his failure to maintain control of his vehicle. If he DID maintain control of his vehicle, then he was trying to do what he did, and it's a bigger problem yet.

Same as swerving to hit a jaywalker because you don't like it.

Sure the guy shouldn't have been passing in the no-passing zone, per the letter of the law, but he didn't cause an accident by doing so. It's just like a guy trying to hit you during a legal pass because you are speeding to do so, and he doesn't like the fact that you're speeding.

I was surprised the rider didn't get a ticket on site for passing in a no-passing zone. I don't know if there are any allowances for doing so in slower traffic and you can see the way is clear. Got me to wondering after I heard no ticket.

For me, it's kinda like sitting at a friggin' stoplight in the middle of nowhere, or when zero traffic is present or can be seen. Totally senseless. But then I speed, so I'm a scofflaw at heart.

[LonestarCBR]

Honestly, I wouldn't have cared if the bikers would have given that guy a fistful of education after that incident.

I'm wondering if the entire incident hadn't been on camera if he wouldn't have received said education. Or maybe with a few less witnesses.

This is for sure (and my opinion), the driver deserved as ass-whipping, at a minimum.

[WickerMan]

I'm an emotional person, I can't help it, I'm a stupid dumba** too. If that was me I wouldn't have said a word to the old man, I would have taken off my helmet and gloves and open handed, no closed fist, beat his old man ass or had mine beat. One way or the other one of us would look the worse for wear.

I would fully expect to go to be arrested and go to jail. I would bond out and have have my lawyer claim crime of passion because it would be true, I'm sure I wouldn't be able to control myself.

[LonestarCBR]

...claim crime of passion...

Ha, nice!
"Judge, that SOB dented my new baby!"

[WickerMan]

No no, like this. I'm so sorry your honor, I know the way I reacted was wrong but Mr Crum tried to kill my friend and his girlfriend. I was so upset, and after he said he did it on purpose, well I just lost it and don't remember much else, I wasn't planning to do anything to him, I just lost control I was so upset.

[JTChiTown]

Claim self defense.

"Your honor, I beat Mr Crum senseless as I just witnessed his use of deadly force in an un provoked attack on my friends. Ascertaining that his ability to function while still in possession of deadly assault vehicle, I felt that at any moment he was able and willing to complete his initial attempt at killing my friends. It was not only my right to defend myself and others, but my responsibility."

[LonestarCBR]

You two are going to need a really good lawyer...but I like where you're going with it.

[DarcShadow]

The fact that this all happened on a double yellow is going to throw a wrench in the works. Yes the car driver is an ass but at the same time, had the biker not been making an illegal pass none of this would ever of happened. So who is to blame?

I'm not a lawyer, so I won't argue about the legalities. Morally, these seem to be two independent events. One is a minor infraction that should result in a fine, the other is a major crime that should be punished accordingly. I hate the "well, he started it" defense that people like to use in these cases. Is it okay to attempt to seriously injure or kill someone because they did something that annoyed you? If my neighbor cuts his grass at 5am (thus breaking ordinance), is it okay for me to sort this out with a baseball bat? I mean, if he hadn't started it...

Honestly, I wouldn't have cared if the bikers would have given that guy a fistful of education after that incident.

Oh yeah, I'm right with you on the moral side of things. Just saying I bet that the fact that both were violating the law will throw a wrench into the legal system. I would think no matter how criminal charges turn out, the rider would have a pretty good case for a civil law suit, although still that passing on a double yellow will make that a bit harder.

I was surprised the rider didn't get a ticket on site for passing in a no-passing zone. I don't know if there are any allowances for doing so in slower traffic and you can see the way is clear.

I don't think so. I believe the only way it is legal is if the lead vehicle pulls over on the shoulder to allow you to make the pass. In fact, even in legal passing zones, if you exceed the speed limit while making the pass you can get a ticket. I know in Indiana, the actual letter of the law said you were not to pass people unless they were doing 5 or maybe 10 under the limit, and when you did pass you were not to exceed the posted limit.

[Polokid69]

if not for being an old man, I would think a serious ass whoopin would be in order, especially after his comments, just sayin

[DemonDuck]

Yea I posted this up on FB earlier today. I am not sure how I would have reacted but just watching the video I wanted to beat the guy (a lot) and it didn't get better when he said he didn't care. At that point I wouldn't be removing anything just throwing combo's and such.

The sad thing is if you go on FB and see the comments on the original post .... so many people think the old guy was in the clear. A freaking MAZING

[Striple]

The sad thing is if you go on FB and see the comments on the original post .... so many people think the old guy was in the clear. A freaking MAZING

Yeah, that part is truly mind-boggling. I suspect that this is at least in part due to the strong anti-biker sentiments among the cagers in this country.

[JTChiTown]

The sad thing is if you go on FB and see the comments on the original post .... so many people think the old guy was in the clear. A freaking MAZING

That's the worst part. A large number of people don't see anything wrong with his actions. While I'd bet most of the posters are keyboard warriors, I have no doubt there are others out there who wouldn't hesitate to do the same if given the chance.