ZX10 vs H2

[fixxervi6]

[LonestarCBR]

Cool video. Two fast motorcycles. Impressive the difference removing the muffler makes. Looks like team green missed a shift, or the H2 really outpulled it there for a split second.

Do I assume the "bolt on" means an aftermarket supercharged on the ZX10?

[fixxervi6]

Nope - a ZX10 with an unlocked ECU puts down damn near the same power as the H2 - the H2 doea not have impressive specs for the cost.

[LonestarCBR]

I watched several videos after that one, all fairly entertaining.

This is a pretty good review of the two, from a rider's perspective. Sounds like a fun bike to ride at the very least. If you're buying one of these, cost isn't really an issue. This just about exclusivity, uniqueness, and a healthy does of pure speed.

[milesmiles]

so with the H2 retuned/unlocked would it put down more power? Because if not then what's the point of the H2 other than putting the power down different?

[nomad]

so with the H2 retuned/unlocked would it put down more power? Because if not then what's the point of the H2 other than putting the power down different?

[fixxervi6]

so with the H2 retuned/unlocked would it put down more power? Because if not then what's the point of the H2 other than putting the power down different?

I think it's a gimmick - a very cool gimmick but I don't think the H2 was built to be some kind of special superbike.

[LonestarCBR]

so with the H2 retuned/unlocked would it put down more power? Because if not then what's the point of the H2 other than putting the power down different?

Well, like I said...exclusivity, uniqueness, and some pure speed. Kind of like the Panigale S, S1000HR (I think I got that right), and maybe even the R1M.

To put it in better context, you may need have a good understanding of the original factory turbo bikes. They mostly ended up being a big disappointment due to: smaller displacement combined with excessive weight, and turbo lag. But still, they were FUN to ride, got people's attention, and with a few minor tweaks, really were fast bikes for the time. Most of all, was the rush of power, and torque curve. Something that wasn't available in anything else on the road. Did I mention they were fun to ride?

This new bike, still priced competitively (reasonably so) with the high-end offerings (noted above), has MUCH better overall design and technology 30 years later...I mean at 525#, handles great (though not quite at the super sport level, a result of weight almost exclusively), and IS as fast or faster than everything else. Shed some of the weight...and things start to come into better focus. Drop the muffler, and results change. Stuff many of us do to our bikes now, for better performance results. Match weight on these two, and the H2 engine walks away from the 10.

In the end, would I buy one for $25000, would you...most likely not. Would any of us have fun riding it...I can say with almost 100% certain, absolutely. And we'd like the attention riding one brings also. Especially when everyone is watching you pull away at Indian Bridge.

The single most important thing about this bike, is that it's a step in a direction that motorcycles most likely will eventually go, just as cars continue to do...how to continue to get good power and torque out of smaller displacement engines. Cars aren't quite there yet, but then again most people can't afford Porche's and Vette's to get maximum performance, just like most of us can't afford $25k for the top tier bikes. Control the weight, control the cost, and to me, this starts getting pretty exciting about the possibilities. That being said...I thnk similar statements were made 30 years ago about those original factory turbo bikes. Time will tell.

[milesmiles]

i think one thing we all can agree on....it's fugly

[LonestarCBR]

Nope, I like it. It's just different, and I like it. When the Suzuki Turbo came out in the early 80's, I thought the same thing about it...fugly. Now I look at it differently. I'm trying to be ahead of the curve this time.

Now maybe it could lose the B-King tail end, but all it all, it's a nice looking departure and exactly what it should be for what it is to me. Those original factory turbo bikes were overstyled some also (well, maybe not the Kawasaki...it looked like the GPz's).

What can I say...I have some Psychedelic running shoes some of you made fun of at the track last year too.

[milesmiles]

YEP, just like i said it's fugly