March 2 - Primary

Post by **dufremle** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:37 am

Don't forget to vote today.

Firewa11 · Post by **Firewa11** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:51 am

Heh, I love our silly little 19th century state...

http://texaslegislativeupdate.wordpress ... voter-i-d/

Blizzard_1708 · Post by **Blizzard_1708** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:16 am

judging by the responses, I think Prop 4 will pass.

Post by **dufremle** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:32 am

I bet more than half of those idiots don't even vote. I believe in freedom of religion. You worship whomever you want, but don't tell me I have to listen to you rant about it at every public event.

Firewa11 · Post by **Firewa11** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:21 pm

The problem here is this proposition opens the door for SERIOUS conflict. This is why there is seperation of church and state. Passing this proposition would be saying it's okay to allow the public recognition of the Christian God, and to put a big statue of Jesus on the courthouse steps, along with the 12th commandments written into the marble steps. Now what kind of message does that send when say a Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Athiest, Jedi, Scientologist, etc. has to walk up those courthouse steps and be judged inside or witness people being judged? Religous persecution. I know we're still in the 19th century here but come on!

I'm okay with them putting the 12 commandments in/on government buildings if I can have a huge 100ft tall bronze statue of Yoda erected in the middle of downtown with giant 12-foot tall letters proclaiming the "One True Prophet".

Or better yet... the Great Yogurt!

Blizzard_1708 · Post by **Blizzard_1708** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:29 pm

I gotta agree with you this time Firewa11. The separation of church and state was written into the consitution for a reason (mostly because they were being religiouslt prosecuted themselves)

Post by **dufremle** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:56 pm

I think they are confusing this issue with 'freedom of religion'. The Founders wanted to keep religion out of politics so that the church wouldn't be in control of the government, as is was in England at the time. Just because you can't put a statue of Jesus on the lawn of City Hall doesn't mean you can't worship him.

Also, if you allow a statue of Jesus, I think you also have to allow statues of Budha, Allah and Satan to be erected.

Post by **DarcShadow** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:21 pm

and yet our gov is run by money which has "In God We Trust" on it.

Blizzard_1708 · Post by **Blizzard_1708** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:27 pm

I dont think it should be there either.

Grinner · Post by **Grinner** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:44 pm

The funny thing about all of this is that this country and everything it began on was the belief of God. I personally have to say that it sure has fallen apart little by little since these kinds of things have come about and common sense has become common ignorance!

GRex · Post by **GRex** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:15 pm

What are the 11th and 12th commandments?

Post by **sckego** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:58 am

Grinner wrote:The funny thing about all of this is that this country and everything it began on was the belief of God. I personally have to say that it sure has fallen apart little by little since these kinds of things have come about and common sense has become common ignorance!

Correction... it was founded on the belief that everyone should be able to choose to worship whatever god(s) they want, without fear of government persecution.

1st Ammendment wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress can't pass laws that create favor for one religion over another, and it can't prevent you from adhering to the religion of your choice. Now, how is this for interesting: it doesn't say anything about display of religious symbolism on public works/currency/whatever, so one could take that to mean that putting the Ten (Twelve?) Commandments up on the courthouse steps is just fine. However, as soon as you start passing laws that say "It is OK to put the Ten Commandments up on the courthouse steps," you are violating the 1st ammendment in that you just passed a law respecting one religion over another. I suppose if your law said "It is OK to put religious symbolism..." then it would be fine, since that isn't with respect to any particular religion.

At least, that's how I read it... make sense to anyone else?

Post by **sckego** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:13 am

Ahhh, shit!

03ninjaman just replied to this thread and double-posted his reply, so I deleted one of them... and both of them dissapeared! I don't think I can get it back, either. Doesn't show up in my cache. Crappydoodle, I'm sorry, Rich. My bad.

Blizzard_1708 · Post by **Blizzard_1708** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:18 am

The constitution is all about what the NATIONAL government can or cant do. A state courthouse is not governed by the Constitution of the United States. We could concievable has a state religion, although, the state would most likely lose much federal funding in that case.

2track · Post by **2track** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:41 am

I was wondering what happened. I deleted one of them too. Now I understand what happened. No big deal. Gotta go to work now will talk to all you Great Americans later.

WillK675 · Post by **WillK675** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:22 pm

Blizzard_1708 wrote:I gotta agree with you this time Firewa11. The separation of church and state was written into the consitution for a reason (mostly because they were being religiouslt prosecuted themselves)

Have to make a correction here. Separation of Church and state is not in the constitution. And if you are referring to the 1st amendment, it prohibits the government from interfering with religion. There is nothing to the reverse affect in the constitution.

Separation of church and state is very misconceived. The term was actually in a letter from Thomas Jefferson. And when he stated such, it was to the same affect of the First amendment. It is meant that the government should not be able to interfere with the freedom of religion. He did not mean it as to remove religion from the state.

2track · Post by **2track** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:22 pm

U-Turn · Post by **U-Turn** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:59 pm

Naaaa, I work with some of these Right Wing Nut Jobs. They mean it as confirmation of their superstition and everyone else should too.
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