Lean Angle and knees
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
The funny thing about all of this is that for me, I feel that I should be out there learing all different kinds of lines. Like when @ Barber and finally getting fed up with the bricks and forced myself to start passing. Now we are talking about two totally different lines.
If this new thing is so, that if you do not hit the x marks, you will be pulled from track. Then the first time it happens and there is no logical reasoning like, "you're riding within a very dangerous limit and we feel you are a danger to yourself and others out there." then I would have to say thanks, I want all my $ back and you wont have to worry about me ever coming back again.
Look, lets get into some finite detail here...each bike made reacts differently on the track and not all lines work the same for each rider. NASCAR is a perfect example of this. Sometimes the faster line for two different drivers, cars, and soforth, might be multiple feet from each other. Is it right or wrong? Apparently not because they are each on the fastest line for them even though they have tried each others lines respectfully.
Either way, I am not one to believe you must follow what I say to the hilt. Perfect example of following me to a hilt is to look at the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels and see what happens when you dont take your own way sometimes. Of course in their job, that is the way they are supposed to fly.
(I know this isnt a perfect example, but it is all I can think of at the moment)
I know that ever since I first heard about these "X"'s, I have not been really enthused. I understand the reasoning, and that they work for those who only know what inside the box that counts, but I for one am not an inside the box person. Would I hit the marks? Maybe, if they are on the line I am choosing to take at the moment. Or maybe for my first lap of the session, while warming up the treads, to get a refresher on location points before I begin to open her up and start persuing the lines I am looking to run at that moment.
One other thing while we are at this...
I do see forcing these as beeing more of a PITA being that you are already being rushed as it is when it comes to track time versus class time versus focus time to apply what you have learned before getting out on track. That is the one main problem I have had every time I have done a trackday. It seems like it is always a, "GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GET MOVING!" kinda pace and I am left with no chance to take time and focus on some of the things they are teaching in class and try to apply before I go back out on track without losing (lets be realistic) "valuable" track time.
Again...just my 2cts and I will kick the soapbox to the side now for another day.
If this new thing is so, that if you do not hit the x marks, you will be pulled from track. Then the first time it happens and there is no logical reasoning like, "you're riding within a very dangerous limit and we feel you are a danger to yourself and others out there." then I would have to say thanks, I want all my $ back and you wont have to worry about me ever coming back again.
Look, lets get into some finite detail here...each bike made reacts differently on the track and not all lines work the same for each rider. NASCAR is a perfect example of this. Sometimes the faster line for two different drivers, cars, and soforth, might be multiple feet from each other. Is it right or wrong? Apparently not because they are each on the fastest line for them even though they have tried each others lines respectfully.
Either way, I am not one to believe you must follow what I say to the hilt. Perfect example of following me to a hilt is to look at the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels and see what happens when you dont take your own way sometimes. Of course in their job, that is the way they are supposed to fly.
(I know this isnt a perfect example, but it is all I can think of at the moment)
I know that ever since I first heard about these "X"'s, I have not been really enthused. I understand the reasoning, and that they work for those who only know what inside the box that counts, but I for one am not an inside the box person. Would I hit the marks? Maybe, if they are on the line I am choosing to take at the moment. Or maybe for my first lap of the session, while warming up the treads, to get a refresher on location points before I begin to open her up and start persuing the lines I am looking to run at that moment.
One other thing while we are at this...
I do see forcing these as beeing more of a PITA being that you are already being rushed as it is when it comes to track time versus class time versus focus time to apply what you have learned before getting out on track. That is the one main problem I have had every time I have done a trackday. It seems like it is always a, "GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GET MOVING!" kinda pace and I am left with no chance to take time and focus on some of the things they are teaching in class and try to apply before I go back out on track without losing (lets be realistic) "valuable" track time.
Again...just my 2cts and I will kick the soapbox to the side now for another day.
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that if you miss the X's they'll throw you off the track, but it's totally false. I blew a TON of them and they never once said anything to me. Heck, the instructors will even talk after the first few sessions about how some of the X's are in the wrong spot and you should be some number of feet to the side.
They're a big obvious reference point for track newbies like me, nothing more.
They're a big obvious reference point for track newbies like me, nothing more.
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
I'm pretty sure this is where everyone got that ideafixxervi6 wrote:They told us in the class rooms turn on the X or they would pull you off the track.
Re: Lean Angle and knees
Yep, could have been just the one guy blowing smoke but he said itBlizzard_1708 wrote:I'm pretty sure this is where everyone got that ideafixxervi6 wrote:They told us in the class rooms turn on the X or they would pull you off the track.
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
I must have missed that. They definitely didn't say that on Sunday and they didn't say it last month, so I think maybe the guy was just blowing smoke.fixxervi6 wrote:Yep, could have been just the one guy blowing smoke but he said itBlizzard_1708 wrote:I'm pretty sure this is where everyone got that ideafixxervi6 wrote:They told us in the class rooms turn on the X or they would pull you off the track.
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
This was an idea we were considering. The theory is that being on the proper line makes it a lot harder to crash, and keeping people safe is the most important thing. But the wide variety of bikes and styles makes it almost impossible to enforce so it never really made it past the idea stage.
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
Getting back to the original topic, lean angle and knees, I noticed today that if I thought of grabbing the bar like a door knob when leaned over, (as sean suggested at the last RideSmart school), it really does "force" your arm to go out and your body to drop into a more proper possition even though you only make a very slight change in your hand position.
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
learned that while riding dirt bikesDarcShadow wrote:Getting back to the original topic, lean angle and knees, I noticed today that if I thought of grabbing the bar like a door knob when leaned over, (as sean suggested at the last RideSmart school), it really does "force" your arm to go out and your body to drop into a more proper possition even though you only make a very slight change in your hand position.
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Re: Lean Angle and knees
By the way, the whole "change your hand position" thing helped me out a lot way up in the mountains. I can't wait to try it out on the track.