National Internet ID Program.

[WillK675]

If you want to read the article, you can find it here.

Our current Presedintial administration is looking to create a National Internet ID, that you would use for everything online. The following quotes are are pulled from the article, and the persons quoted in them are the U.S. Commerce Secretary Gary locke and White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt.

"We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities."

Not talking about a national ID card... BULLSHIT! It's exactly that, just for online use instead of a card you carry around in your wallet. Unless they decide to go with a smart card, then you are carrying it around in your wallet. Admitted the smart card wouldn't be your actual ID card, but say you get arrested, now it's a confiscated item, and the local PD now has access to anything and everything they want to know about you, and all without a warrant (in CA anyways, You can read this for more info, I'm not going off on a second tangent here).

Let me point out the comment about the goverment controlled portion. If it's not governmentally controlled, it would be controlled by a single private corporation contracted directly by the government. So, it would be controlled by the government via a third party. Any way you look at it, it's all of your digital information (financial, social networking, shopping, etc.) in the hands of the government, and possibly a private corporation as well. So much for privacy. Also, later in the article they discuss the long fought battle of which governmental agency would get "authority of cybersecurity." So which goverment agency controls the system is still up for grabs.

Now this is some shit right here...

Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of this," he said.

Oh, Fuck you too schmidt. It can't be done without being centralized. Yes you can spread it out accross multiple databases, but you still have to centralize the control of the ID's. Otherwise you get overlap/duplicates. Not to mention Schmidt was quoted saying the opposite earlier in the article.

It's "the absolute perfect spot in the U.S. government" to centralize efforts toward creating an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet, White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt said.

When more info comes to light on this, and this thing starts to hit the house, and senate, it would be my recomendation that everyone write letters to their elected officals urging them to oppose this. it's just one more attempt by the current administration to lead us into a government controlled society. Fucking power hungry assholes.

Ok, I'm done ranting , and going to shut up now.

[Firewa11]

Our government officials are a bunch of idiots. Remember, the Internet is just a bunch of tubes.

[U-Turn]

We need to keep track of you Will.
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Besides, IP6 is going to do pretty much just that anyhow.

[WillK675]

Our government officials are a bunch of idiots. Remember, the Internet is just a bunch of tubes.

And Al Gore is the one that connected the tubes.

[U-Turn]

Gotta keep an eye on them internets.

[fixxervi6]

We need to keep track of you Will.
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Besides, IP6 is going to do pretty much just that anyhow.

How so? IPv6 is here and strong, there are more devices on the internet using IPv6 than most people think.

Its true IPv6 address space has enough addresses that even your toaster could get an address, but with IPv6 there are no perminent addresses unlike IPv4, so its not like they could hand you an IPv6 address and say here you go this is your number, it simply wouldn't work.

Just about every iphone is on IPv6, and a lot (if not most) of china is on ipv6. Now that IPv4 and IPv6 live side by side in teh same network stack on a TON of devices/OS's you dont' know when your using ipv6 and ipv4 most of the time.

IPv6 s the coolest thing since dry ice

go here on your iphone http://www.whatismyipv6.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[U-Turn]

We need to keep track of you Will.
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Besides, IP6 is going to do pretty much just that anyhow.

How so? IPv6 is here and strong, there are more devices on the internet using IPv6 than most people think.

How so what? How does IPv6 keep track of you? Your MAC is part of the IPv6 address. By having the MAC in the device/computer/tablet/gizmo, you can be tracked provided you/salesclerk filled in the warranty card w/name and mac. Bam, your on the grid.

Its true IPv6 address space has enough addresses that even your toaster could get an address, but with IPv6 there are no perminent addresses unlike IPv4, so its not like they could hand you an IPv6 address and say here you go this is your number, it simply wouldn't work.

Under IPv6 your device has 3 address's, minimum.

[Just about every iphone is on IPv6, and a lot (if not most) of china is on ipv6. Now that IPv4 and IPv6 live side by side in teh same network stack on a TON of devices/OS's you dont' know when your using ipv6 and ipv4 most of the time.

IPv6 s the coolest thing since dry ice

go here on your iphone http://www.whatismyipv6.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Alas, I don't have a smart phone of any type.

[Firewa11]

This whole legislation is because some idiots on capital hill can't remember more than one username / password.

[Grinner]

Sounds to me like Skynet is already turning against us! Maybe there will be a Judgement Day in May!!!

.....doo, doo...doo, doo........doo, doo...doo, doo......

[DarcShadow]

I do have to admit, it would be nice to have one common username/password. But then it'd be even easier for someone to screw up your life. Steal your yahoo id and password and bam! instant access to their bank account too.

[Firewa11]

Microsoft tried this, with "Passport" and now "Live". Google has something similar going... I mean, my phone services are tied to my gmail account. This legislation will never pass, there's no worry there. The technological hurdles are insurmountable, and this steps on state's commerce rights.

[WillK675]

This legislation will never pass, there's no worry there.

For all we know, it already passed as part of that fuck up they called the heathcare reform, and all they have to do now is turn it over to an agency and let them come up with the details and implement.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it passed, I'm just making an example of how it could pass. Same way that Mccain/Feingold passed and started us down the path toward a national ID.

But you are right, it does step on commerce rights. Hell it's pretty much declaring martial law on all e-commerce and taking over their security.

Not to mention the "you don't have to get an ID if you don't want to" is Bullshit. They will implement it in the same way they did the Mccain/Feingold ID shit. In the Mccain/Feingold crap they said the same thing; that states can opt out of these requirments; however if your state issued ID doesn't meet those requiremnts, guess what, You can't get on an airplane.

[DarcShadow]

Don't we already have a national ID called your Social Security number?

[U-Turn]

State Drivers License, Social Security Number, Passport ID.
What's with the parinoia ~ The guy just wants a password manager but with a national database. And like Firewall pointed out, Microsoft "Passport" and Live. I remember IE asking if it want's me to remember this password, etc...
I can't wait until we get a chip implanted like my dog has. I get lost I'll be OK.

What coolaid you been drinking?

[Firewa11]

This is a way to centrally identify a single individual, mapped to an easily identifiable peice of information like a social security number, and have an absolute record of everything they do online, from things they purchase to social networks to everything.

This is big brother at it's worst. Big government, just like this, is going to crush the life out of us and pave the way to a socialist commune.

[DarcShadow]

eh, everything comes to an end eventually, we're lucky we've lasted as long as we have. lol

[U-Turn]

This is a way to centrally identify a single individual, mapped to an easily identifiable peice of information like a social security number, and have an absolute record of everything they do online, from things they purchase to social networks to everything.

This is big brother at it's worst. Big government, just like this, is going to crush the life out of us and pave the way to a socialist commune.

You use a credit card to make purchases? Hmmm, prefers Mobil gasoline and buys Crown Royal at Big Daddy's. Every Tuesday charges $5.99 for Taco's at Lunch..........
You have your "Reward Card" for discounts on your purchases? Grocery Store Discount Card? "The Man" already knows what condoms you buy and how often.
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Were already there.
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[WillK675]

No that's individual companies using information to sell advertising. If you have and use all that stuff, that's a lot of companies with small bits of information on you. That's a big difference from all of that information being in one centralized place. Right now it would take forever for the government to centralize all that information about you, without doing it illegaly. But if they can push a single ID, then they have control over it, and don't have to hunt it down.

Look at it this way, the government has all that info in one place, we become a socialistic commune, and they look at you and decide you drink too much and there for a burden on healthcare. So they put a restriction on your banking perventing you from buying booze. That's potentially what this could lead to.

Hell, let's look at the short term. They have access to your financial. You borrow money from a friend because you had car trouble and didn't have the immediate cash available. Your friend writes you a check, you deposit it, and write a check to the shop. Tax time rolls around and the IRS sees a deposit to your account, they consider it income, and require you to pay taxes on it. Not exactly socialistic commune, but you still get fucked.

[U-Turn]

Naaaa - I'm not buying what your selling.

[DarcShadow]

But they would also see that it's from an individual, a one time depost and clearly a "gift" and therefor not taxable.

[Firewa11]

Cash gifts are taxed...

[WillK675]

Unless they are from a relative, and the total for the year is below a specific amount.

[jnobles06]

yeah that is pretty scary. the government is trying to cover their ass imo. they want to be able to track where you go online so there isn't some kind of surprise revolution like in egypt. better download the anarchist cookbook now anonymously while you still can.

hell today i have a car parked in front of my house that has a bad fuel pump and the inspection is out. it got tagged to tow! i called the police dept and they dumb ass dispatch lady put me on with the captain and he said because it hasnt moved in 48 hrs and the inspection was out it was considered abandoned, i said "well its my car, parked in front of my house, and i'm the owner who is telling you it is not abandoned" and he said "according to the law it is". not to mention the "hasn't moved in 48 hrs b/s" wtf do they have an officer watching the car all day? (they didn't mark the road with chalk lines on the tires either). with the power the government and corporations have this country isn't free at all.

[Grinner]

hell today i have a car parked in front of my house that has a bad fuel pump and the inspection is out. it got tagged to tow! i called the police dept and they dumb ass dispatch lady put me on with the captain and he said because it hasnt moved in 48 hrs and the inspection was out it was considered abandoned, i said "well its my car, parked in front of my house, and i'm the owner who is telling you it is not abandoned" and he said "according to the law it is". not to mention the "hasn't moved in 48 hrs b/s" wtf do they have an officer watching the car all day? (they didn't mark the road with chalk lines on the tires either). with the power the government and corporations have this country isn't free at all.

Dont take this wrong, Im not slamming you.

What you mentioned above is a prime example of our responsibilities to our own well being and the loss of common sense.

That law was put into place...
1) lets be understanding, do you want a few of your neighbors to have "junkers" (or abandoned in your case) in front of their houses? Would that not discourage good, ethical, common sense folk from buying your house at the price you know you can get? (and yes...I am referring to "whitetrash")
So you have to put a law into place to help out the community when they get disgusted!
2) this is what happenes when the community decides its not important to participate in the city council meetings in their community. Then they get all bent outta shape when they suddenly start getting ticketed for putting up a garage sale sign, cutting a tree down, or whatever stupid stuff you can think up.

I will say, since moving into my house and attending the council meetings as often as I can, I have begun to learn a lot and have seen where some laws might get passed that no one knew about until it is too late because of the freedoms that the council has to make decisions.

One thing for example and then I will hush...
To get a sales tax increase, the citizens must vote for it...
but to get a property tax increase...
ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE IT IN PLACE.

Kinda freaky huh?! Sales tax affects everyone including visitors but property tax only affects you!

[Firewa11]

It's like anything with politics. Those who have the loudest voice (with their votes) gets their way. If you just sit back and do nothing, don't get involved with your community, don't vote, don't participate in your democracy, then you have no right to complain when laws and rules are suddenly changed that impact your way of life.