BMW S1000RR recall.

[DemonDuck]

So I called yesterday to find out how long it would take to get the bike I wanted in and was hit with....... We just got a message from BMW today to stop all sales of the S1000rr to include the delivery of the ones already paid for. Snail do you have any info on this? I have been looking all over and it looks like it is nationwide at least but either nobody knows or nobody is willing to talk about what the problem is.

[WillK675]

It's worldwide. There is a problem with the connecting rod bolts. Affects all BMW S1000rr's manufactured from August 2011 up to now.

It's going to be interesting to see how they go about fixing this.

[fixxervi6]

sounds like that is going to cost some money to fix

[WillK675]

yup. they are going to have to rebuild every engine. The interesting part is going to see how they go about handeling the recall. Are they going to have the dealers rebuilding the engines? Are they going to ship new engines out, and have the dealers do motor swaps? Are they going to have every bike shipped back?

[fixxervi6]

I can't imagine they'd have stealerships rebuild the engines, there would be a massive backlog of work, that's going to take a while, but then again, who knows.

Imagine sitting on top of one of those engines when its turning 15K RPM when it decides it doesn't want to hold that rod anymore.

[Firewa11]

It would probably look a lot like this:

[milesmiles]

ouch!

[DemonDuck]

I know it was another thread we where talking about what it will take to fix the problem but I am going to move the conversation here so it is on topic. I was looking things up and found some pictures of the engine. It would seem that it is an 8 hour job because it takes 5 hours to remove and install the engine. From the pictures it seems that it might be possible to get to the bolts by taking off the oil pan but I might be missing something. The picture might be showing the case split instead of just the oil pan taken off .. not sure.

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[Striple]

If I was purchasing a brand new BMW (or whatever), I would be a bit put off by the fact that I'm spending top dollars to buy a bike that has already had its engine opened by the stealership wrenches...

[DemonDuck]

I have been going back and forth on it. The only thing stopping me from saying just get me a new one is that it might be a 2013 by then.

Would you feel the same way if you was to purchase a new bike and there was no recall when you purchased it. Then something happens that is under warranty and gets repaired at the dealer? Or even if the recall came after you had been riding it for 1000 miles and they had to do the repairs on it? I am just wondering if you would tell them at that time that they need to get you a brand new bike or would you accept that the bike was now fixed. Lets go one more step and ask what if you never did any research on all of this and just went to BMW and purchase the bike 2 months from now. Your in great luck because they have the exact bike you want on the floor. You purchase the bike and are never told that the bike has had work done to it.... would you even know? I am not sure if they would have to tell you by law or not as there would likely be no way to tell.

I am also still holding onto the idea that maybe ... just maybe one of the ones im interested in is not effected.

I also hear that they have been offering people and extra year on the factory warranty to put people at ease. I am not sure of anything yet as it is all second hand.

[Striple]

To me, the purchase of a brand new vehicle includes the idea that it is an untouched machine (unless, of course, its a demo bike) that is waiting on me to take its maiden voyage. Once the wrench at the local stealership has screwed around in the inside of the engine of that bike, it really loses a lot of that privilege. I always prefer to be the one stripping my own bolts, damnit!

I've only ever bought a single brand new vehicle, and at this point I doubt that I'll ever do it again. The few privileges that come with a brand new vehicle aren't worth the premium to me. That said, if they take away the "newness" of the bike before you even get to ride it, then all you get is an almost new bike for the price of a new bike.

Once you swing your leg over and ride it off the lot, its no longer brand new anyway, so any minor recalls that appear after that are not a big deal, unless they involve major work, such as opening up the engine. So yeah, that would still suck. And if I bought it without having any knowledge of the work performed, then it obviously wouldn't be bothersome. Its like marrying a good girl that unbeknownst to you was formerly a prostitute. It won't bother you until you find out, at which point it probably won't be so cool.

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes for this one, but if I was, they'd be way too big.

[DemonDuck]

ROFL ... Yea I havent come to a full decision yet. A little wait for the new one wouldnt be as bad for me if they could tell me a specific date I think. But to say "we hope" by mid July is not cool. I thought about buying the 2011 they had in the showroom but it is only a couple grand less than the 2012 and does not have the heated hand grips.

[Firewa11]

Stripping your own bolt... is that what they call it these days?

[Striple]

Stripping your own bolt... is that what they call it these days?

[Rhino]

Stripping the bolt, spinning the spanner, polishing the exhaust pipe, whatever.

[WillK675]

Well for this particular recall, really it's logistics, $$$ , and trust. How much does BMW trust their dealerships in rebuilding engines, how much is that going to cost BMW to pay the dealerships to do it, and what are the logistics of getting parts/bikes shipped etc.

If I were at BMW and managing this recall. Here is what I'd do.
Ramp up Engine build production to meet the added demand.
Ship new Engines to dealers with affected bikes.
Allow dealer to swap engines & ship old engine back.
Move people off of Engine production and into dis-assembly
Dis-assemble all old motors into parts bins, tossing the recalled parts.
Send parts through inspection, tossing/recycling any parts not up to spec.
Send good parts into new engine production.

[DemonDuck]

Well I got word today that they will have parts in the 3rd week of next month so I should be able to have my bike at the end of next month or the begining of June at the latest.... if I choose to go with the repaired one. Also it is being said that people in other countries that have gotten calls from BMW to talk to them about this have been told BMW will be making the warranty on these bikes 4 yrs 48k miles and give an extra 1 year roadside assistance from BMW. Still in the decision making process.

[Telomere]

an extra 1 year roadside assistance from BMW. Still in the decision making process.

How long would you be waiting along the side of the road for them to come get you, especially if you are on your way to work? That should help you make your mind up.

[Striple]

BMW Roadside Assistance seems to be pretty much like all the others, i.e. very hit or miss. Any of those roadside assistance programs can be bought for around $80/year, just to keep that offer in perspective.

[DemonDuck]

The roadside assistance isnt that big and the warranty just tells me they are confident that the repairs will be a lasting thing. I was planning on buying the extended warranty but still the extra year would be nice and all..... even though I would run out of the miles in 3 years probably. One big thing I have been thinking though is that if I get a repaired bike and it brakes then they will fix it under warranty... and if it keeps giving me problems then they will have to replace it under limon law. Dont think it would come to that but if it did I would still end up with a "new" bike.

[Striple]

Yeah, warranties are probably the single best part about buying a new vehicle. When my car was still under warranty, I took it to the stealership for every damn thing. I even had them put in new speakers after I blew them. After all, its part of what you're paying for in a new vehicle.

Good luck with whatever you decide (if you ever do decide... )!

[DemonDuck]

I can tell you that I have decided im getting a BMW SKRR and have the money down on it. Just dont know if im gonna wait for a new one from the factory, take one that has the recall done, or find another dealership to wait for one from the factory with them.... lol. The other thing im trying to decide still is the red one or the white one. I like them both so much.

[Striple]

LOL - I know. Its all good - I just like giving you shit over this.

PS: If these recent decisions are any indicator of your ability to make a difficult choice, then you should easily be able to decide on the bike's color by next Summer...

[DemonDuck]

ROFL your and arse!

[russian]

glad you made up your mind bud it would be nice to have another S1k around here
let me know if you have any questions or need any advice etc.

btw, have you looked at getting any 11's? mine has been flawless except a few things that were totally my fault LOL.